Nude Photographs Of Obese Women Feel Conflicting (NSFW)

Yossi Loloi - Photography

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When I first looked at Yossi Loloi’s “Full Beauty” project, I felt conflicted, and, admittedly, a little irritated. Loloi’s whole mission statement is something we, as women, are constantly being reminded of– how the media is a horrible liar, how all women’s bodies are beautiful, how the art world is sexist too, and how we need to subvert to change and love our bodies, love ourselves. Right? Right! So, how might we do this? According to Loloi, one way, is to examine unconventional imagery such as his own collection of beautiful obese women, commercially lit in relaxed settings.

Of his intention, Loloi’s website states, “I focus on their fullness and femininity, as a form of protest against discrimination set by media and by today’s society. What larger women embody to me is simply a different form of beauty. I believe we own ‘freedom of taste’ and one shouldn’t be reluctant of expressing his inclination towards it. Limiting this freedom is living in a dictatorship of esthetics.”

What Loloi says is not horrible, not terrible. It’s quick, easy, and makes perfect sense. Scroll through the photos and you will see that these women certainly are strong and brave to share bodies that, on the surface, are not generally appreciated. I love the female subjects for embracing this. In fact, the women’s bravery is the most redeeming aspect of this project.

However, Loloi’s work also feels confusing to me– limiting. I want to know more. How specifically are these obese women beautiful to him? Why these particular bodies? What is his own relationship to obesity? How does beauty relate to sexuality? How do these larger bodies deepen and how do they cope with not only societal scorn, but also health issues?

This is where my mind goes. It’s hard for me to simply just digest that the images are beautiful because I am told that they are different. I need more sustenance, otherwise it feels surfacy or fetishy . . . then again, perhaps, I don’t know, maybe this is the point– Loloi’s work could be more about bringing a certain sexual taste into the mainstream, and if so, well then, there’s a talking point.

Regardless, I found this series valuable because it forced me to evaluate my own sense of “beauty” in relation to bodies, not because Loloi has “taught” me about how beautiful obesity is nor because he opened my sexual palette, but because my questions and reactions led to a certain meditation: how sometimes, bodies are the most gorgeous in the wake of surviving some type of trauma, emotional or physical. There is power in that kind of strength, a deepening that goes beyond the surface and I hope to see more complex depictions of that nature in the future, to understand or relate, not just retaliate.

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  • Bud

    To me it is not about beautiful, or sexy or art. When you talk about the love of a body, you
    should be taking care of that body. As
    much as I hate to say this, these photographs make me quite sad. Why? Because these women will not have a very
    long life. They will have multiply health problems, suffer pain from many
    sources, not health related and then they will die at a relatively young
    age. If it were not for that, than I
    would be happy for these women and agree that they are beautiful.

  • justmyopinion

    I will disagree with many regards; one that this just displays one alley of all of women’s struggles with the mainstream. What about racial differences, all natural, stature, or sexism? Until you can look at ANYONE without needing to feel that you should be impressed, or until art isn’t biased to bells and whistled when it comes to commercially picturing women, we are still objectifying their bodies. I should be able to look at your eyes and accept your beautiful soul. You shouldn’t need to prove anything else because we are equal. It sends mixed messages to me, it says you have to be sexy to be beautiful.

  • stacy elaine dacheux

    Great dialogue, everyone! I would love to hear more about your thoughts on beauty and/or objectification as you feel it relates to this series. What does beauty mean to you? Is it sexual? Showy? Or somehow more intimate? Let’s keep talking and sharing.

  • Mala

    Attraction is largely based on our natural instinctive reactions. Most of us are naturally attracted to fit, strong and healthy bodies that appear to show signs of long lasting biological sustenance. I may have been conditioned by the media to find thin girls attractive, however, I am not attracted to these ladies because they appear to be very unhealthy and seem to have made poor life choices, not solely because they are obese. Glorifying this type of body is like glorifying smoking. Very few people with bodies this size existed 100 years ago. Should society change it’s perceptions of the body, or should obese people change perceptions of themselves and work towards maintaining a healthy body. I find this whole debate really interesting.

    Perhaps we should focus our attention on the medias portrayal of the three NATURAL body types, ectomorph, mesomorph and endomorph.

  • Health?

    Is anyone going to mention the health implications on celebrating this form of the human body?

  • Cecilia

    There was a time when fuller, fleshier, curvier bodies were appreciated, celebrated, and desired. Those bodies were considerd feminine and strong and fecund and beautiful. No man ever had to justify WHY he loved the women who owned those bigger bodies. But they do today. If a man loves bigger women today, he’s considered some kind of freak. So many bend to societal pressure and keep that desire under wraps. And to me, this is how a fetish begins. They end up having a shame around their natural and healthy desire for these big gals, and in the dark recesses of the mind, that shame mutates into something else entirely. And many women end up with body shame, and feelings of insecurity and self loathing, too, because often men want desperately to be with them — but just not in public. How does that help anyone? If you are not considered beautiful by society’s standards, and you are attracted to bodies other than those that have society;’s seal of approval, you are not NORMAL. It’s okay for us to idealize big boobed blondes, unless that big boobed blonde also has a big butt and waistline. I agree obesity is not healthy. But deriding big women for loving themselves as they are will not help them lose weight or get healthier if that’s what they want. I can tell you from experience that being able to lose a significant amount of weight while increasing fitness comes from self love, not self loathing. Tell me how many kind and loving things you do voluntarily for people you detest? That’s my opinion.

  • plumifera

    I am so glad this conversation is coming up, because when I saw his work the first time I though the same than Dacheux.

    His views in my opinion are more like the hunter/ photographer who goes to Africa to take pictures or kill some animals, and then take a picture with his trophy. Or the colonial mentality from the past and sometimes still in use, where other cultures are seen as the animals from the zoo. You know what I mean? Nothing to do with “protesting for body discrimination”. More about shocking imagery perhaps to get into a gallery.

    Maybe it’s better to see it as a male view’s of obese women and obviously him being supportive of all kinds of bodies. Still it falls short, psychologically speaking.

    I bet his wife is skinny you know?

  • plumifera

    It’s interesting to me that the artist didn’t touch this topic, like health is not important for these women? Do you think they don’t worry about it? He obviously see them as still lives. :(

  • plumifera

    You guys should see the work of artist Jen Davis about this topic, more psychology to it, much more deep since it touches how obese women feels about it, you know. Herself is obese so she has to live/ struggle with it.

  • Jordan

    **Glorifying this body is like glorifying smoking cigarettes** (I am both)

    Those of you who know me 1. Know that I am a large woman 6ft tall 300lbs. Pear shape (thank God) 2. Know I am a
    hobby photographer- With that being said. I KNOW that my weight is a
    problem. (I’m working on the
    smoking-down to 2/3 a day) While I’m ALL about society embracing the
    “non-Barbie figure” This artist I feel didn’t do diligence. He looked at
    these woman as still life photography with no souls. What is their
    story? Maybe these woman are “proud” of their bodies, who knows. Truth
    is most people don’t want to see that! I’m fat and I don’t want to see
    it. If you are going to remain a fat girl you need to know how to
    properly dress, as well as take the criticism with a grain of salt.
    Maybe one day I will do something about my fat. But for now, I will hide
    behind my Spanx and my fabulous clothes. The reason there is a stigma about obese men/woman is because health, and it’s unattractive. Two HUGE reasons to work against the fat. I’m a hypocrite because I know these things yet I do nothing about it. I try here and there then give up. I’ve always been a big girl. I am not comfortable in my body, I am not proud of my body, and I have ALWAYS wondered what I’d look like in a size 12. Luckily I’m portioned evenly, and I’m tall. That helps. But I’m 27, as I age-if I do nothing… I’ll get nothing in return and end up nothing in a nothing box.

  • Sarah

    This is my thoughts exactly whenever I hear people talking about how we should be celebrating and embracing “real” or bigger body types but then they show the extreme side of that. Yes many men and women are naturally bigger and no one should have to feel ashamed of that, but we should not celebrate obesity because it is not healthy and therefore, not something to strive for as a society because it can lead to suffering and disease, etc. as you pointed out. You can be beautiful no matter what size you are, but I believe we should always strive to better ourselves no matter what and to me, health is the most important thing.
    It is very difficult to be happy when you are not healthy…and everyone deserves to be happy and enjoy their life! :)

    I get it though, people are making art about this with the hopes that the more comfortable we get with seeing this imagery, hoping it will discourage people from shaming/looking down on/bullying people with different bodies, especially since some people have health problems that they have no control over that cause them to gain a lot of weight. People can be so cruel and quick to judge just because someone doesn’t look a certain way. It is sad and ignorant.

    Wow, sorry for the long rant. lol Just my thoughts.

  • Jacob

    Yeah, my mom gained a lot of weight because she has hypothyroidism. They kept misdiagnosing her for years and no matter what she did, she could not lose weight and kept getting bigger and lots of people would judge her or make comments about her weight thinking that it was her fault for eating too much or being lazy or something. It is really sad how stupid and mean people are. It makes me sick. We should be kind to everyone regardless of what they look like.

    The women in these photographs are obviously not healthy. I hope that they are happy though and that they are able to find a way to get healthier so they can live longer without pain :( These photos just make me sad. They are still beautiful women but I would be miserable if I were that overweight…

  • Blake G.

    I agree wholeheartedly.

  • Sarah

    Historically curvier women were celebrated as ideal because they were considered the most fertile or built with the best bodies for giving birth and all that. Also, fat was valued because living was much more difficult and they burned a lot more energy with hard work and traveling so it was thought that more fat would help you survive longer. Now though, we have evolved as a society where the majority of people are not burning many calories everyday because we do not do much physical labor and we drive everywhere.
    These women are obviously not healthy and although they should not be made to feel ashamed of their bodies, these photographs make me feel nothing but sadness for these women and for the suffering that they are surely going through or will go through if they are not given help to address their health problems/obesity.
    It seems like these photos were really just taken for shock value or for an easy exhibit because they knew it would get a lot of attention and be displayed in galleries or be talked about. It is almost disrespectful to these women. I feel like the artist used them. To me, it is a person’s character that defines their beauty. I really don’t care much about physical appearance apart from if a person is healthy. For instance, I would not want to start a family with someone who I know is not healthy because they will probably not live as long and could pass on things to our children that will make their lives more difficult.
    Some of these women are sexy, but they could probably be much more happy if they were able to lose weight. I doubt that they enjoy being obese. It would have been different if the artist had taken photos of women of all shapes and sizes, skinny and big, and naturally larger women, not necessarily the extremely obese…but that has already been done many times so either way, they aren’t really adding much to the conversation…it feels disingenuous.

  • Montana

    You are absolutely right that at a time rounder women were much more appreciated, but they were certainly not as huge as some of these women here, which woluld never even survive in those harsh days. Big women are beautiful for sure but only up to a certain point, same goes for leam women of course. Anyway beauty is always subject to debate, where health is not.

  • devrie

    Or he sees them as existing in society right now–as women, as people. He can’t change them or convince them to try something different to change their bodies. They are what they are right now, and a lot of psychological work on body-image suggests that accepting and loving one’s body is integral to motivating people to combating the challenges they face in losing weight. :)

  • devrie

    It’s weird because these images help me not to feel as though I have to be impressed by women’s bodies. The very reason you are conflicted by this work is what makes me sort of laud it.

  • devrie

    Nobody can or will ever succeed in glorifying obesity. All this type of work does is force us to question why we need to be bombarded with the idea that women need to be an ideal form of beauty to be appreciated as women.

    People don’t intentionally get fat because some artist posted pictures of fat women (after all, read the comments. No one seems to like seeing this art). I doubt the women in these photographs woke up at a healthy weight then decided to eat the calories needed to become a 300 lb woman. If the obesity problem was as simple as making rational, logical choices, we’d have a much lower obesity rate. It’s obviously not simple. Genetics play a role in how people’s bodies respond to food–why some people never feel satisfied or full, but others stop eating after a certain serving–why some people have intense cravings for salty or sweet things, yet others only have slight cravings.

    We’re all trying to figure out how to stop obesity. No one is saying it’s great to be obese. They’re only saying that, “Hey, fat women exist right now! Maybe it’s okay for them to be sensual, naked, real.” There’s nothing wrong with attempting to solve our obesity problem while accepting that fat women are in fact women–sensual at times, human to the core, flawed and victorious as any other woman.

  • devrie

    Why? Does this art make you want to become obese? If not, then I highly doubt there is some kind of health implication for showing that fat people are real and sometimes get naked.

  • devrie

    I don’t find the women in this series to be sexually attractive, yet I find them interesting to see. That’s the point that resonates with me–that women exist and are sometimes NOT sexually attractive. I always feel so small and useless when people talk about the beauty of women. When a girl is kidnapped, people write, “A beautiful young girl goes missing,” to which I wonder, what if she wasn’t all that pretty? Would no one care? If you lose weight, people say, “You’re looking so good and young,” people don’t ask, Now that you’ve lost the weight, how are you feeling?” People comment on how pretty my daughter is, not now clever or funny. All people are sort of judged on their appearances, but there’s a weird line for women–that if you’re not beautiful, you’re not worth anything to anyone. I think there’s a fine line between lauding quintessentially attractive women for their beauty and criticizing women for being anything other than some ideal notion of beautiful. It’s perfectly okay to be smart or funny or super kind or super hardworking but not “beautiful.” –not that one shouldn’t try to be beautiful or like to see beauty, but that we’re capable of more. If you have a great personality, are smart, and are kind AND you’re beautiful, you’re really lucky. It’s okay to notice that, but I’m not beautiful, but that doesn’t mean I’m “nasty,” or “lazy,” or “gross.”

  • Peter

    I see the point, these wonderful girls will die young

  • plumifera

    Great point! I do understand what you said though, maybe it wasn’t the moment to talk about it. Or it’s implicit enough.

  • reda fathy

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  • Tenshow

    The point is obvious. It sends the message that it’s ok to be obese while in fact it leads to numerous health problems. Have you even read the article?

  • devrie

    It doesn’t send that message at all. It just shows fat bodies. Fat people exist, and it IS okay to be a person who is fat, but it’s just something that needs to be addressed in terms of health. These photos won’t inspire anyone to gain weight. They won’t tell already obese people, “hey, stop worrying about your weight, you’re what everyone wants to be!”

    The beauty of these photos is that the subjects are there, yet their bodies really don’t elicit envy. We see the bumps and wiggles in their bodies. The point is almost–yes, they are large and their bodies are not refined, but they exist and can exist. That’s it. It’s not a “You’re better if your fat” kind of thing. It’s simply, “You are.”

    In no way is allowing fat people who are already fat to exist a billboard for obesity.

  • Tenshow

    Did you even read my comment? Never did I state that these photos put “fat” people on a pedestal (“You’re better if your fat”, “you’re what everyone wants to be!”). The amount of strawmanning in your comment is ridiculous, please tackle my actual arguments.

    What I actually said is that they -make it seem OK to be obese while in fact it is a DANGEROUS state to be in- , health-wise. Note my repeated usage of the word OBESE instead of the word FAT.

    These aren’t just random photos of obese people hanging around. They are all portrayed in a fashion/artsy way. That’s the problem. Obesity IS a disease and should not be portrayed in a fashion/artsy way. Instead, the people posing in those photos should be urged to get medical care in order to avoid premature death.

    Is my position clearer to you now?

  • JC

    It took me a minute, after scrolling through to “get it.” I went back through again and didn’t look at their bodies, but their faces, and more importantly, the look in their eyes. What I see in nearly all of them is a kind of defiance, and in some a sad defiance. Regardless of their health problems, or society’s perception of the way they look, these women are HERE. They live, they love, they are human beings with all the same things that make fit people human. Their eyes are saying, “so what if I don’t fit your idea of beauty, I still exist and that deserves to be acknowledged.”

  • April

    Absolutely disgusting. The same people that put down thin or overweight people put down overweight people. This is not acceptable or beautiful. This is just as bad as the anorexics as far as health. Just….no. Stop promoting either side of the spectrum and focus on “healthy.”

  • zoltanverdon

    you really are a compete imbecile. Obesity is NOT a disease and never will be. You are obviously an American with a very low level of intelligence. I suggest you refer to the OXXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY for the definition of the word DISEASE. YOU are no doubt the kind of muppet that would also deem alcoholism and drug addiction diseases – they are not, and you insult people the world over who are suffering with ACTUAL diseases.. OBESITY, DRUG ADDICTION & ALCOHOLISM ARE CONSCIOUSLY MADE LIFE-CHOICES.

  • zoltanverdon

    OBESITY IS NOT A DISEASE HOW DARE YOU IT IS A SELF-INDUCED STATE ENTIRELY CURABLE. NONE OF YOU SEEM TO HAVE ANY UNDERSTANDING OF THE WORD DISEASE AT ALL.
    MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS
    MOTOR NEURONS DISEASE
    PARKINSONS DISEASE
    FRIEDRIKS ATAXIA

    THESE ARE DISEASES YOU IMBECILES, ATTEMPTING TO PUT SELF INDUCED ENTIRELY CURABLE CONDITIONS LIKE OBESITY, DRUG-ADDICTION & ALCOHOLISM INTO THE SAME CATEGORY AS THE ABOVE ACTUAL DISEASES PROVES HOW MENTALLY DENSE ALL OF YOU ACTUALLY ARE.

  • ZOLTAN

    sorry but i am afraid it really IS THAT SIMPLE. OBESITY IS NOT A DISEASE IT IS AN ENTIRELY SELF-INDUCED STATE ENTIRELY CURABLE as opposed to AN ACTUAL DISEASE. I.E. PARKINSINS, MOTOR-NEURONS, CEREBRA PALSEY ETC.

    TO DEEM OBESITY A DISEASE IS TO DISPLAY A BLINDING LACK OF INTELLIGENCE AND TO INSULT PEOPLE THE WORLD OVER WITH ACTUAL GENUINE DISEASES.

  • zoltan

    i do very much appreciate what you have said and i agree with it. i personally am mainly attracted to women who are pear-shaped and in the range of 250lb – 300lb. i think it is a highly-uninformed presumption to make than simply because a woman is over a certain weight she is unhealthy – especially knowing nothing about her blood-pressure, cholesterol or glucose-levels. i find big women EXTREMELY BEAUTIFUL AND VERY SEXY but also obviously HEALTH is a PRIMARY CONCERN NO MATTER WHAT SIZE A WOMAN IS PHYSICALLY. Remember that CARDIOVASCULAR DISEASE IS AN INTERNAL DISEASE NOT EXTERNAL and that IN TERMS OF ACTUAL PHYSICAL , VISIBLE BODY FAT – ONLY VISCERAL FAT IS DANGEROUS – THE VISCERA BEING THE UPPER-BODY AND THE FAT SWADDLING THE INTERNAL ORGANS. SUBECEOUS FAT – FAT ON THE HIPS, RUMP & LEGS – which is where the majority of women carry most of their weight IS ENTIRELY HARMLESS & BENIGN. SOCIETY & THE SUBLIMINAL-MESSAGES OF MEDIA DO INDEED FORCIBLY RAM THE SAME IMAGES OF SUPPOSED PHYSICAL PERFECTION DOWN OUR THROATS INCESSANTLY & FOR DESSERT THEY SERVE US THE SUBLIMINAL MESSAGE THAT ALL BODY-FAT IS DANGEROUS & WRONG SO WE DIGEST ALL OF THIS AS THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO ADVERTISING – THE NICE MAN ON THE TELEVISION TELLS ME SO THEREFORE IT MUST BE.

    READ THE BOOK – BIG FAT LIES AND DO SOME RESEARCH INTO CARDIOVASCULAR DISEASE AND INTO ACTUAL BODY-FAT BEFORE PASSING JUDGEMENT ON THE ABOVE WOMEN OR WOMEN LIKE THEM. IF THESE WOMEN HAVE POOR SELF-ESTEEM PROBLEMS OR AS YOU AMERICANS PUT IT ‘SELF-LOATHING’ IT IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN BOMBARDED WITH NEGATIVE PROPAGANDA & NEGATIVITY TOWARDS THEM. THE SUGGESTION THAT THESE WOMEN ARE NOT BEAUTIFUL AND SEXY IS REPULSIVE, DISGUSTING, OBJECTIONABLE, INNANE, TWISTED & REPREHENSIBLE.

    AND NO I AM NOT A WOMAN OR PHYSICALLY HEAVY.

  • zoltan

    These pictures were not taken for shock-value, at least not in the context that you have mentioned in your text. Look without having to retread, if you read my above text physical beauty really should come in all shapes and sizes – if we make a choice in our own minds as to what we do and do not find physically attractive – but we don’t. MEDIA & ADVERTISING MERCILESSLY & INCESSANTLY RAM THE SAME STEREOTYPICAL IMAGES OF PERCEIVED PHYSICAL PERFECTION DOWN OUR THROATS DAY IN DAY OUT UNTIL THE SUBLIMINAL MESSAGE LODGES DEEP IN OUR PSYCHE AS THE ‘TRUTH’ AND WE ACCEPT IT AS GOSPEL. These women really are sexy & beautiful, but only if you perceive them to be so from an INDIVIDUAL STANDPOINT – I DO AND VERY MUCH SO but the point i make is that much of those who don’t are coming from a standpoint of UNINFORMED PRESUMPTION AND IGNORANCE FORCE-FED BY MEDIA.

  • zoltan

    much of what you say is spot- on – especially the last sentence, but you are making presumption of health with regard to these above women based on visual appearance. You MUST take into account

    B.P.
    CHOLESTEROL LEVELS (LDL & TRIGLYCERIDE)
    GLUCOSE LEVEL
    BILIRUBIN LEVEL

    UNTIL YOU KNOW the levels of these women you CANNOT PRESUME these women are not healthy

    ” IT IS ONLY WITH THE HEART THAT ONE CAN SEE RIGHTLY
    WHAT IS ESSENTIAL, MAN HAS FORGOTTEN THIS,

    -The Little Fox And The Little Boy –

  • zoltan

    you are not happy in your body because society says you are not sexy. Your physical description sounds VERY VERY SEXY TO ME. Give up the cigarettes, be mobile every day eat a varied intake and be proud of your big sexy body. Big women are very beautiful i love them. Just watch your blood-pressure, cholesterol & glucose levels – it ISN’T UNATTRACTIVE TAKE THE WORD OF AN SSBBW LOVER but take in all i said.

  • Guest

    I’m going to ask you not to reply in full caps ever again, or I won’t
    bother reading your gibberish. That also goes to your name-calling, and abysmal English skills.

    Unlike you, I’m basing my definition of obesity on facts, not opinion: The American Medical Association has recognized Obesity as a disease since 2013, and it is the standard diagnosis in American clinics and hospitals.

    This definition was not made to “insult” obese people, as you say. It was made to better help obese people get the medical support they need to get out of their condition. It also serves as a waking up call to physicians, who will now urge their patients to get treated.

    Do you find that “insulting” or “offensive”? I don’t care. I’m just happy that thanks to these changes, more and more people will be spared from premature death.

  • Meistertrollen

    I’m going to ask you not to reply in full caps ever again, or I won’t
    bother reading your gibberish. That also goes to your name-calling, and abysmal English skills.

    Unlike you, I’m basing my definition of obesity on facts, not opinion: The
    American Medical Association has recognized Obesity as a disease since
    2013, and it is the standard diagnosis in American clinics and hospitals.

    This definition was not made to “insult” obese people,
    as you say. It was made to better help obese people get the medical
    support they need to get out of their condition. It also serves as a
    waking up call to physicians, who will now urge their patients to get
    treated.

    Do you find that “insulting” or “offensive”? I don’t care. I’m just happy that thanks to these changes, more and more people will be spared from premature death..

  • Monsters

    The pic 3rd from the bottom, it looks like if an ice cream sundae melted on the couch

  • zoltan

    i am not an American and believe me i am extremely proud of that fact. Are you so naive to presume that the rest of the world cares what America thinks? Obesity is not a disease it is a sef-induced state – a conscious choice, like drug addiction and alcoholism – neither of which are diseases either. As for your comment on my English skils, coming from an American i find that hysterically funny given none of you people can spell or pronounce words properly which is hardly surprising because your educational system is globally recognised as one of the most apalling in the entire world. I would venture to guess that you, like the other 300 million of your people have never even been outside your own country so how would you know any differently? Those few of you that have are so ignorant that you have absolutely no idea how to conduct yourselves in public in other countries. Lastly everything i have stated IS PROVEN FACT AND NOT AN OPINION.

    I suggest you do a bit of research on the nature of disease – and while you are at it a bit of research on the micky mouse educational system of your micky mouse melting pot of cultural rejects.

  • zoltan

    By the way would you mind pointing out to me just exactly HOW AND WHERE my English skills are so ABYSMAL? I mean, just for the entertainment value.

  • devrie

    I didn’t say it was a disease, but you still threw out an insult on my intelligence. Cute. The point is that there are fat people. They’re here, like it or not, and how they’re dealing with their hunger issues and health varies from person to person and isn’t necessarily your business. You have no idea the difficulty a person faces with hunger and satiation nor how far along she’s already overcome significant challenges in her life. We do know that excess weight is correlated with disease, we don’t know why so many people experience a significant challenge in monitoring their food intake. Common sense tells you that even when it comes to fast food and junk food, there’s only so much food someone can nominally tolerate. If a person switched to junky foods, his body might gain weight, but only to a certain extent. The genetics plays a role in how a person’s body adjusts to those excessive calories, whereas some people eat the excess calories, gain a few pounds and either stay that weight or attempt to lose it where as other people’s bodies re-adjust to a new caloric need and send signals to eat more. That’s why there are thin people who drink beer and eat pizza daily and don’t count calories at all and some thin people who have been counting calories and dieting since middle school. Why are some people exceptionally large? Could you eat the amount of food a 500 lb person eats? Probably not. Most of us couldn’t do it if we tried, so why is that person actually compelled to eat that amount of food?–to the point it is challenging NOT to eat that amount of food? See? It’s not that simple, but of course it’s very easy to pat ourselves on our back and point the finger of shame at someone else without knowing how they feel, how hungry they are, how hard they attempt to stay away from certain foods or more food. Nobody is perfect. Obesity is bad. It can be controlled, yes, but the challenge varies from person to person based on genetics, culture, and environment.

  • zoltan

    Culture yes, environment yes – genetics? No.

  • devrie

    Genetics? Yes. There are a plethora of studies which have discovered a number of genes related to obesity. That isn’t to say that someone with these genes can eat the same foods and do the same activity as others and still get fat. What it means is there are genes which motivate some people to eat more than others, and these people may stay fit in environments which require them to do a lot of walking or work, but when transplanted to a more sedentary life, their genes are such that their appetites and cravings do not wane with reduced activity. People without the same genes may naturally reduce their food intake when less active–not by a superior intellect of food, but simply because their body signals for appetite decrease.

    In other words, a 200 lb person may have become 200 lbs by having the genetic disposition toward continuing to eat even when his or her activity levels wane. That means he 200 lb person may be eating (if it’s a woman) 2000 calories a day just like she did when she was 21 and involved in sports and doing more activity and having a higher youthful metabolism. She ate for her appetite then, and continued to eat for her appetite because that’s what her body told her to do.

    The genetic aspect is NOT about eating like a rabbit and still getting fat. It’s about a person’s natural reaction to foods, his or her motivation to eat, Etc. In an environment with a low need to exercise and a high level of empty calorie foods, some people are genetically predisposed toward not having the same internal mechanisms which decrease satiation. That doesn’t mean that it can’t be checked or that there isn’t something people can do about it. It just means the challenge for them is higher than other people are willing to accept or notice.

  • Nono_Yobiz

    These poor, poor women. Some of them can no longer even sit comfortably. Is it beauty when all you see in the pictures is suffering?

  • zoltab

    These women are miserable, and that comes through for all who can see in all of these pictures, but i think a huge chunk of why they ARE miserable is directly concerned with the response of mainstream society towards their physical appearance and, as a member of a certain minority group, i directly identify with that. However they are directly and purely responsible for getting themselves into the predicament they find themselves IN and must be primarily responsible for getting themselves OUT of that same predicament. DESPITE what the “MEDICAL ASSOCIATION OF LEGOLAND’ would have it’s unfathomably naive countrymen and women believe, the overwhelming majority of cases of obesity are indeed caused by simply eating too much. It is that simple. Eating too much and not moving. For the native (and naive) population of Legoland, let me say this again. OBESITY IS NOT A DISEASE OR A DISABILITY

    A DISABILITY IS A PERMANENT AND INCURABLE CONDITION WHICH LIMITS OR PREVENTS THE CAPACITY TO CARRY OUT SIMPLE EVERY DAY TASKS (OBESITY IS PERFECTLY CURABLE BY WEIGHT LOSS)

    A DISEASE IS A PERMANENT, ALTHOUGH MANAGEABLE ILLNESS OF THE BODY OR BRAIN.

    FINALLY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE NATIVE POPULATION OF LEGOLAND

    1.DRUG ADDICTION
    2.ALCOHOLISM (OR ADDICTION TO ANYTHING FOR THAT MATTER)
    3.OBESITY

    THESE THREE CONDITIONS SHARE THE COMMON BOND OF BEING NEITHER A DISEASE OR A DISABILITY. IF YOU REFER TO THE ABOVE FACTUAL EXPLANATIONS OF THE WORDS .DISABILITY AND DISEASE YOU WILL SEE THIS IS INDISPUTABLE.

    P.S. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVEN’T COPPED ON YET – YES, AMERICA IS LEGOLAND

  • zoltan

    it is interesting how all you Americans live in your own bubble-world where the only information that you believe and eat like chicken is that which comes from INSIDE the walls of your own land. OBESITY IS NOT A DISEASE MEISTERTROLLEN A DISEASE IS INCURABLE BY IT’S VERY NATURE – THAT’S WHAT A DISEASE IS . AN INCURABLE – ALTHOUGH MANAGEABLE ILLNESS OF THE BODY OR BRAIN. YOU LOSE WEIGHT AND THE OBESITY IS CURED – YOU KEEP EATING THE OBESITY REMAINS AND INCREASES. YOU HOLD THE KEY YOU HOLD THE CURE.

  • zoltan

    you are so clouded in your own insular dr phil psycho-babble, oprah bullshit it beggars belief. They are pictures of morbidly obese women who have made the conscious choice to eat huge volumes of that saturated fat, sugar and salt laden crap that most of all 300 million of you ram down your throats on a daily basis and consequently here they find themselves miserable yet – like all good Americans – still even hungrier for their 15 minutes of fame than they are for the shit that got them into this situation in the first pace. What IS it with you people and your pseudo psycho analysis? THEY EXIST – YEP- CHECK. however if they keep popping around to Wendy’s after work every day of the week they won”t EXIST for much longer.

    LOSE WEIGHT PROBLEM SOLVED.

    TELL ME I DON’T NEED TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE ‘NOT A DISEASE’ THING AGAIN PLEASE.

  • Cardionema

    Just shut up already.

  • zoltan verdon

    REALLY ARTICULATE RESPONSE. YOU MUST HAVE GONE TO EH, HARVARD IS IT?